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From. > SWE profession won’t really exist To. > we don't median dev (another vague term)

bunch of goalpost moving statements.


How so? Median is a concrete metric.

acquiring steradian semiconductors was a quite good move.


> I am not sure what has happened over the decades regarding actually being proud of the work you produce.

ignorance against wrongdoers has been a bliss for your generation, curse for ours and deadly for future


> The takeaway for me is that the Zig project is led by people who are extremely immature and toxic.

immature and toxic : welcome to every big tech , you don't want part of them either, right ?


if they call their employees monkeys, certainly. I think every big tech company is well aware of lawsuits regarding a hostile work environment, work place bullying, etc.. they all have company wide training on these topics.

Having been in that situation before, if I even get a hint that I would be treated this way, I'm backing out of any interview. I won't say for no amount, but for no amount they would consider reasonable compensation would I think it's worth it. People commit suicides over this stuff. This isn't a joke. Life is too short. I mean just seeing other people treated this way is horrible on its own. I can't believe people defend this stuff. People need to learn to be ashamed again.


> if they call their employees monkeys, certainly.

It seems to have decreased in the last 10 years but calling us code-monkeys was a common derogatory reference to the software department. I didn't like being compared to a monkey randomly bashing a typewriter but that's how things were.

It was better than what everyone called HR.


"code-monkey" is a bit different, I've seen people use it to call themselves that in a positive way. Maybe Andrew meant "code-monkey" in a more positive way instead of "monkey"? But i just re-read it and to me it sounds like an insult to their intelligence, to mean as if it was one of those studies where they train a monkey to hit keys to see what happens? Like they were so dumb it was the equivalent of monkeys hitting keyboards and accidentally creating something that works?

Either way, can we at least agree that it is an insult to those people at a personal level, it attacks who they are instead of what they did?

Like i mentioned, I've had myself/coworkers compared to monkeys in the same way. I didn't think much of it at first, but coworkers were really demoralized and kept mentioning it, and it coincided with all sorts of other hosilities from people in power.

My whole goal here wasn't to demonstrate some internet rage, but to do my part in making sure other people don't get treated like crap, especially in their work place. If this was at my work, I'd probably just quietly look for other places to work at, because I'd be afraid for my job. In this case it's not like Microsoft employees can publicly respond in like to Andrew and not lose their jobs either. I see someone with some level of authority and a public figure abusing that to harass others.

There is no asshole-badge that is granted to people when they achieve positions of authority, a louder voice or great success in life. Those of us who can implement some sort of an adverse response to this behavior, must.


He also called employees "losers"


> This feels immature and does not give confidence in the project/language leadership.

so making tough decisions is now immature this days lol.

> mall owns forget to mop the floor

quite a whitewashing i would say.


why would adtech companies pay apple millions to keep their app as default option if it was not for getting data . Same thing but hey it requires common sense.


So you don’t see the difference in using Google as your default search engine where Google can only track you when you are searching on their website and having them control your entire OS?



> besides a few months of annoying calls.

normalizing harassment and fraud, great


Oh, I’m not suggesting this system is normal or sane at all. Merely that OP could have understood it better and paid $0 instead of $33k.


> health insurance companies are the bad guy

using AI to deny claims to maximize profit seems bad enough to me. More Luigi please.


I can imagine SpaceX and Blue Origin still sitting ducks if it was not for full knowledge sharing and access to nasa facilities.


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