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The UK wanted to leave as an intact entity, the EU made that difficult, therefore compromises.


The UK wanted to leave the EU and the common market. That means a border. That much has always been clear. That's basically the whole point of the common market.

The UK also doesn't want a border between Ireland and Northern Ireland but that's stricly an issue between the Republic of Ireland and the UK. Obviously as Ireland is a member and the EU is a constructive and diplomatically open entity, it was more than ready to negociate. Actually, multiple solutions have been proposed and at least one was tentivaly accepted before being reneged by the UK government.

I mean at some point in a negociation if the weak party can't come to its sense, you have to stop wasting everyone's time and tell them to get lost which is more or less what's happening with the UK.


The UK would have had to breach or at least seriously jeopardize the GFA to do so. An agreement they willingly signed up to. The UK brought that upon themselves.


This is, probably unwittingly, making my point.

Brexit in no way breaches the GFA. Threatening a return to violence in Ireland over Brexit is what I mean by "making things difficult".

The Troubles were not about sausage shipments between Belfast and Dublin.

:)


England just have to live up to their obligations and accept a sea border between England and Northern Ireland.

In fact, they signed up for exactly that not even 2 years ago.

It seems, though, that they were just kicking the can down the road and never really had intentions to live up to their side of the deal.

Global Britain! Yeah, right...


Brexit doesn't, but the GFA was only possible because of the seamless border between the two countries. That lack-of-a-border can only exist if NI remains in the customs union. The rUK can only have a seamless border with NI if it's either in the customs union, or neither are. The UK decided the rUK didn't want to be in it. So now there's a border in the Irish sea.

> Threatening a return to violence in Ireland over Brexit is what I mean by "making things difficult".

Recognizing that putting in jeopardy an international agreement that brought an end to the troubles might incite violence, is not the same thing as threatening violence. It's common sense.

> The Troubles were not about sausage shipments between Belfast and Dublin.

You're right, they were an ethno-nationalist conflict, during which the British government sanctioned the murder of its own citizens, and now continues to protect those murderers from prosecution.


> You're right, they were an ethno-nationalist conflict, during which the British government sanctioned the murder of its own citizens, and now continues to protect those murderers from prosecution.

Bit early for the drink, no?


No need for an ad hominem. Which part of that sentence do you take issue with?


HN won't let me reply to you messe!

Can you point to the line or lines in the GFA which would have been breached by Brexit?


Instauring a border between Ulster and Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_and_the_Irish_border#Go...


Ulster is not synonymous with Northern Ireland as counties Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan are very much part of Ireland.


What's Ulster got to do with it?

I asked for a reference in the GFA, you've provided a Wikipedia link. Fantasy stuff in the HN comment threads as usual.


You're being intentionally obtuse now. If you can't see why an open border is vital for the continued peace, and why removing it would place tension on a peace that took decades to achieve, then you've already made up your mind.

I suppose I should have expected it when you blamed the EU for the self-inflicted woes of Brexit.


I'm not in any way slow to understand, not in this case anyway.

> If you can't see why an open border is vital for the continued peace, and why removing it would place tension on a peace that took decades to achieve, then you've already made up your mind.

I didn't say that, and I'm not even going to engage your straw man.

And I did not blame the EU for Brexit woes, I made a pretty basic statement of fact that would probably cover any negotiation, one which was intended only to signal compromise -- hence why the UK did not leave entirely -- not woe or blame.


GB is a third country, UK is not entirely.


Which part of the UK is not out?

Ireland, as far as I know, is not part of the UK. While Northern Ireland, Wales, Scotland and England are all out.

Which part of the UK is still in the EU?

(Honestly curious)


From a trade perspective, Northern Ireland is treated as part of the EU at the moment. This allows the Irish border to remain open, as there's no feasible way of enforcing it otherwise. For some context: The European union as a whole has 137 border crossings with third countries to its east. The Irish-Northern Irish border has 275.


Thanks!

I didn't consider NEs current status.

This will open another can of worms, when some of the exceptions run out by the end of September.


Northern Ireland is still saying its goodbyes and looking for its jacket. And even GB is still caught up in hundreds of temporary exemptions and is in many senses operating as part of Europe.


NI isn't going anywhere any time soon. There have been no realistic proposals on how to handle the border.


Oh, yeah, my intended meaning was that NI is the guest who's making noises about leaving the party but not realistically doing much about it :)


Ah fair, I took it as "still there, but on the way out soon enough".


Northern Ireland is still abiding by EU free movement of goods rules and EU Customs Union rules, and goods from the rest of the UK are inspected when they get to Northern Ireland.


Upvote for politeness :)


> This site isn't currently available in the EU

but i'm in the UK!!1ones


Vaguely remember Boeing(?) blocking something in a web spec because would mean upgrading a lot of desktops.


Any details on this? I’m curious


Your first sentence is a personal opinion.


Link says Government sent a "first signal of its intention", title says "UK to depart".

Comments skip straight to how dumb we all are.

:shrug:


It's like this for most stories and subjects to be honest. It's just that technology news has more people knowing what's actually going on.


Who decides who is a terrorist ?

You’ve just handed over the role of government to Apple.


Fantasy UI thingy, or playing with dial UX ... https://carisenda.com/sandbox/fui/


Is it just a toy at this point? pretty, what data is backing it.


It's just a toy. Dial's are difficult to make work in real UIs but they feature a lot in FUIs. FUIs also assume a lot of knowledge/expertise on the part of the user ... to move the dial with a mouse here you need to hold shift, you can also increment with up and down (or shift up/down).

These dials try to be smarter by calculating the torque value of a mouse/touch movement, so you really have to move around the dial like a real one.



Eh yes that's the UK as I mentioned.


The people doing the dissappearing were from Ireland though.


Any headline that ends in a question mark can be answered by the word "no". -- Ian Betteridge


Fun fact: in academic studies of yes/no headlined articles, the articles more often answer yes than no

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge%27s_law_of_headline...


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