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I have the early 2013 MacBook Pro. It is still pretty fast.

Nothing I saw today makes me happy to upgrade as a developer. Sure it's lighter and thinner and HUUGE trackpad that's a nice to have when I'm traveling. But the TouchBar requires me to look down at my keyboard which slows me down. And they can't even leave the keyboard itself alone with the terrible butterfly implementation coming over from the 12" MacBook. And I am sure all the Mac developers will enjoy developing apps that both have and do not have TouchBar. Just wait 5-7 years for all the non-TouchBar based MacBooks to not be as common.

Then the ports. Apple seems to think that it can force upgrades to technology like they did with (arguably) floppy drives and cd-rom/dvd drives. But USB (non-C) is not a dying standard, neither is an SD-card slot. People still use SD-cards Apple! I don't want to buy dongles all the time. I am shocked they even bothered to include a headphone jack. Where's your courage now Apple?

All of this has been very off-putting as a developer. And where are the iMac and Mac Pro updates?

edit: also they got rid of magsafe. i guess thats a split since their magsafe 2 cables were way too loose.



>> with the terrible butterfly implementation coming over from the 12" MacBook

You missed the part where Tim mentioned that the butterfly mechanism is a second-generation upgrade with more travel time on the keys. It remains to be seen just how large of an improvement it is.

>> People still use SD-cards Apple!

I'm fine with the SD slot being gone. Just another space-wasting component most of us haven't used in a decade.

This is a portable series of laptops. If you're in a position that you are lugging around a DSLR camera and 5+ lenses (that's why you need SD reader, right?), and a host of other devices you seem to need USB for, you have enough space in your bag for a larger adapter[1] - it even has the SD card reader!

The kind of people who need so much aren't lugging around a laptop to a cafe. They're sitting in professional studios with million dollar hardware, and rendering their IMAX videos on external server clusters. Or at least at home/office with a proper desktop machine that better matches their profession.

Next I'll be hearing about how terrible it is that the Apple Watch can't edit 4k video.

[1] http://www.satechi.net/index.php/computer/connectivity/card-...


> You missed the part where Tim mentioned that the butterfly mechanism is a second-generation upgrade with more travel time on the keys. It remains to be seen just how large of an improvement it is.

No I read about it. If the prev gen product was great I'd give them the benefit of the doubt. But as it stands their butterfly style keyboards are terrible for me.

> I'm fine with the SD slot being gone. Just another space-wasting component most of us haven't used in a decade.

> This is a portable series of laptops. Versus the large non-portable laptops that Apple previously made.

> If you're in a position that you are lugging around a DSLR camera and 5+ lenses (that's why you need SD reader, right?), and a host of other devices you seem to need USB for, you have enough space in your bag for a larger adapter[1] - it even has the SD card reader!

No I need it like any other normal person who backs up their photos to their laptop. I don't lug around 5 lenses and I sure as hell don't want to lug around additional dongles that cost me $50 just to buy. Maybe USB-C becomes ubiquitous in 2-3 years time. Great, I'll consider my options then. Loss of MagSafe just to get this USB-C ubiquity is (again) not worth it for me.

Not really even sure why you're stating your opinion as some refutation of my opinion... My post was talking about why I won't be buying one. If you don't use an SD slot. Great, maybe this MacBook Pro is for you. If you want "the future in cabling and connection ports", this MacBook may be for you. If you want a "Touch Bar", this MacBook may be for you.

> The kind of people who need so much aren't lugging around a laptop to a cafe. They're sitting in professional studios with million dollar hardware, and rendering their IMAX videos on external server clusters. Or at least at home/office with a proper desktop machine that better matches their profession.

I am not sure what this has to do with me, a developer and photographer who is interested in upgrading his MacBook Pro and literally needs the exact opposite of this.

> Next I'll be hearing about how terrible it is that the Apple Watch can't edit 4k video. Okay buddy. Never knew the current gen watches could edit 4K video.


I have a old Chromebook that I am using as my primary dev machine (at home). Was hoping to upgrade it to a MBP, but now i'm not sure. I know they are two different classes of machines, but what really struck me in that I can literally buy 10 Chromebooks for 1 MBP.


Which Chromebook do you use for dev, and how do you set it up for your dev env (a quick name of a site to read would be awesome)


Not OP, but r/crouton works pretty well


I have no idea with the idea of MagSafe, but on my Retina MacBook Pro (also early 2013), it's become extremely finicky. About 20% of the time, it just doesn't charge. I just have to connect and disconnect it a few times and eventually it works.


> it's become extremely finicky

Clean your connectors and the problem will be solved. Do you know what will be extremely finicky in a permanent way? Your Thunderbolt 3 port after it's had the power cable unceremoniously ripped out from it.

At least there are 4 of them, so when one breaks you'll be able to use one of the others.


You have dirty contacts or a plug which doesn’t seat properly. Try wiping both sides with a dry q-tip (this is Apple’s recommendation) or use one soaked in isopropyl alcohol.

Sometimes little bits of magnetic debris can get stuck in the computer side, e.g. iron filings, staples, etc. You can try to get these out with Blu-Tack or similar if the q-tip doesn’t cut it.


I've made a point of keeping it clean ever since it started, but it doesn't seem to help much.

One time I noticed the connector was wobbly, and I found a very, very small piece of metal in there. I had hoped was the source of all my problems, but I think I caught it right when it happened because it didn't fix the problem.

Getting that metal out of there took a good half hour of trial and error. That magnet is powerful!


I've found pressing and lifting a kneadable eraser works really well as debris stick to it.


FWIW, in addition to cleaning the contacts which others have mentioned, I had the same problem and it improved when I reset my SMC: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201295

But maybe that's just the placebo effect.


I have had to clean out the port a bit with a qtip.. little tiny bits of metal (or something) has gotten in there.


Yes, I have Early 2013 Macbook Pro as well. Had some problems with keyboard, but have it to be replaced today.

Was thinking about buying new Macbook Pro, but after seeing the release I'm definitely going to stay with my current one.


Doing professional development on a 2011 macbook pro I bought for my first internship. :) Still rocking it the old thing.


Are there any serious drawbacks to buying a 2013 MBP today?


I wouldn't think so. I still use a late 2012 and it holds up great. Can't tell the difference between that and the 2015 one I use at work.


Not really. I have a 13" 2012 MacBook Pro and it only shows it age when I try to play a game on it. For everything else it is fine.




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