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Economic inequality has massively increased since abandoning the gold standard. Of course academic economists carry water for the people at the top benefitting from the inequality.


So has economic productivity, total activity, and overall quality of life.

So how do you decide which correlations to believe in more than other?

I believe economic inequality is a problem, but the gold standard would be throwing the baby out with the bathwater, based on weak "look, these things happened at the same time" reasoning.

Economic inequality has been MASSIVE at many times in the past prior to modern currency, after all.


Inequality has increased but poverty has decreased. The world is so much wealthier now.

Yes high inequality is a problem but I'd argue too low inequality is a problem too. You need a difference of outcomes to motivate people. If that doesn't happen in currency it will happen in another way. For example people will invest in political power and work hard to corrupt the system in their favor. This happens with high levels of inequality but is reduced as there is a legitimate path to improving ones lot. There is something competitive in us the drives us to do better than our neighbors. That needs a legitimate outlet.


> Inequality has increased but poverty has decreased. The world is so much wealthier now.

Perhaps, but this is largely a result of manufacturing (a primary source of middle class jobs) moving from developed nations to previously agrarian economies. The same cycles will repeat itself until there are no pockets of cheap labor left in the world for the owners of these corporations to exploit.


Cheap is relative as the labor market is not globally uniform.


If you take China out of the numbers poverty hasn’t really decreased.


It seems plainly obvious that history shows the opposite is true; corruption is increased when money and power are centralized amongst a few people. There's a reason the term "Robber Baron" came around the last time we experienced massive inequality as a country. If you have some examples to the contrary I would love to hear them.


The number of pirates has drastically decreased since abandoning the gold standard. Sure you're not carrying water for Big Pirate?


Has it though? If piracy is the act of invading someone’s private space where they can be isolated them from help and taking from them, is ransomware just modern piracy with less violence?

Of course the sea pirates are still very active on some areas.


To rephrase: global warming becomes a bigger issue as JavaScript adoption grows.


You might be on to something there! Think of all the heat generated by executing all that inefficient code!

I’ll rephrase as well. Problems like inequality or robbery have a tendency to adapt to whatever circumstances we create for them.


Tax rates for the wealthy have also declined massively.


The percent of all taxes paid for by the top 1% has only held steady or gone up over time.


This is meaningless without more detailed numbers. If it's held steady or gone up by a few percent while, say, the percent of wealth and income received by them has gone up far more, then... whoops. They're better off.


Well the percent of the GDP that is taxed is pretty steady at 20%, which infers that spending/taxes grows at the same rate as income. Thus the rich are paying the same percent or more of their annual income over time.


This does not follow at all from those numbers (and reality). Tax pressure has moved towards the middle and lower class, to ease the “burden” of the rich and wealthy.


Reality is literally the opposite of what you claim. I highly suggest you look at actually tax data and not comments from strangers on social media.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/20220119175339/The-Top-1-Per...

Tax burden for the bottom 50% has dropped. Fewer and fewer low income Americans pay any income tax at all.


Look, if the top 1% of people used to share 10% of a country's earnings, but now share 20% of a country's earnings, their relative contribution to total tax revenue will grow without any change to the tax regime.

So you need to consider the change in income distribution alongside any change in relative tax contributions. Otherwise the stats you cite are pretty meaningless


That data is available if you bother to look for it.

https://files.taxfoundation.org/20220119175430/The-Top-1-Per...

Despite the top 1% total share of income decreasing since 2007, they still pay the same percent of all taxes.

Thus the tax burden on the top 1% has increased over time.


Why pick 2007, except for the fact that it clearly looks like an outlier?

It looks to me that the general trend for the top 1% of earners has been a slight increase in both income earned and tax paid


Looking at 2007 was a peak in both income earned and taxes paid. Comparing it to today, income earned (as a %) decreased, yet taxes paid (as a % of total) is about the same.

So we can at least say from 2007 to now, tax burden increased.


Probably not a good idea to pick an unusual year as your baseline if you want a reliable conclusion.

The trend of both graphs appears to be a modest increase over time, obviously with annual fluctuations.


The tax burden for the top 1% _income_ earners can totally increase while the tax burden for the top 1% wealthy decreases (they earn from dividends, not work)


It’s literally in the data link I posted.

The top 25% saw their tax burden increase, the bottom 75% decrease.


According to your link the share of Income of the bottom 75% also decreased. Than it is not surprising to see their tax burden decrease.

Also, the trend seems to be the other way around: Tax rates of the top households have continuously decreased.

[1] https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2019/10/07/david-l...

[1] https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/10/04/us/tax-trump-weal...

[2] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/08/first-tim...

[2] https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.c...


The top 1% have negligible incomes. It's all about capital appreciation in that zone


Sure and they pay taxes on capital gains.

https://taxfoundation.org/publications/latest-federal-income...

Note that the percent the top 1% pays goes up when the market goes up and goes down when the market goes down. A big part of that is equity comp.


Keep in mind that not everyone pays taxes on capital gains. People with a lot of appreciated stock can simply borrow using the stock as collateral, and not pay a single penny in capital gains. Depending on the entity that owns the stock, the interest on the loan might even be deductible.


I hear a lot about that, but in reality it makes no sense. At some point in time the loan needs to be repaid and equity sold which carries a tax burden.

You could "step up" the basis when you die, but I find it hard to believe some billionaire would roll over debt for 30+ years, pay 200-300% in interest, just to avoid 20% long-term capital gains?

I read a lot of conjecture about how this happens and many people said Musk did this, yet he paid $500M in taxes last year?!?


> I find it hard to believe some billionaire would roll over debt

Plenty of rich individuals do exactly that, though. Hang out in any retirement/investing forum and you see people doing the cold hard math and deciding not to sell the stock and pay taxes if the step-up basis is enough.


Your math is off. The 200-300% interest doesn't matter if the return on your capital is greater than the interest rate.


Who can guarantee a return on capital?

Tech stocks are down 50-75% now. You think it was smarter to borrow money against that equity rather than sell and pay taxes?

Like I said, it's all theoretical, yet no one has actually shown me numbers that makes sense.

Delay selling equity? Sure? Delay it until you are dead? No way (unless you're within a few years of dying).


You don't even need a significant return on capital for the strategy to pay off, it just has to slightly beat the interest on the loan over a very long time horizon. Consider these numbers: $100 million subject to capital gains, $10 million in cash needed for expenses, a 2% interest rate, a 2.5% return on investment, a 20% capital gains tax, and a 10 year timeframe.

The borrowing strategy starts with $100 million and a $10 million loan, and ends up with $128 million and a $12.2 million loan, so net $115.6 million (and the interest is likely tax deductible).

The taxpaying strategy starts with $88 million and ends up with $112.65 million.


Over what time period? And you’re ignoring interest rate and equity return risk.

It’s pointless to do unless you can do it until you’re dead so capital gain tax is actually reduced.

Otherwise you’re just deferring the tax. Which has value, but isn’t avoid tax.


Lots of other things have changed in the economy since 1971. For big one example, see the huge decrease in unions.




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