Europe besides the UK too. Don't be fooled by the EU is privacy heaven smoke and mirrors.
Just because the EU is not US doesn't mean they're not doing the same Draconian shit funded by similar or the same people.
They use the same excuses of "needing it to catch heinous crime/think of the children" and "it will only be used for criminals" but we know that's not true. We know that these laws are used against those considered adversarial to gov, including those engaging in journalism, whether they have a degree on it or not (which shouldn't be the bar to not get surveilled and treated like an authortiarian state)
> Wiewiórowski said this type of indiscriminate scanning of private communications “will always be illegal under the Charter of Fundamental Rights (and probably under several national constitutional laws as well),”
I don't see how calling it nuanced negates anything I said.
From the top of my head, Spain, Sweden and Ireland (but not limited to them) absolutely support getting access to e2e encrypted information if they can get away with it.
Obviously most countries that face this have to deal with reality and the insecurities they might introduce but it's not moral qualms or privacy advocates that usually stop them.
And just because someone in a eu body said something is illegal doesn't mean we won't get a big propaganda push down the line if they decide to implement it, like what happens in vaccine passports in Europe (which clearly broke all kinds of rules of freedom of travel and human rights).
I don't care what HN "wants me to believe" and I certainly don't generally represent popular HN views. We can argue on the merits of what I say.
You're right, but we see a lot of people saying EU wants to ban encryption with the CSAR proposal, using it to argue that they don't care about privacy.
I wanted to bring nuance in the discussion, by posting sources to EU bodies (EDPS, EDPB, many associations, and probably the ECJ if it came to that) and members (Germany, Estonia, Finland per your own link) that disagrees with the proposal, or are outright denouncing it as illegal.
EU, as HN, is not uniform, and while it is not the privacy heaven some claim it is (I don't -- I think GDPR is not strong enough and not correctly applied; the ePR proposal seems to be nightmarish thanks to my own country), nor “they don't care”.
The post literally opens with “Europe besides the UK”, and then goes on to mention the EU. There is a lot more scope for confusion in your writing than you appear to think!
Just because the EU is not US doesn't mean they're not doing the same Draconian shit funded by similar or the same people.
They use the same excuses of "needing it to catch heinous crime/think of the children" and "it will only be used for criminals" but we know that's not true. We know that these laws are used against those considered adversarial to gov, including those engaging in journalism, whether they have a degree on it or not (which shouldn't be the bar to not get surveilled and treated like an authortiarian state)