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> I don't think that selfhosting is a great option for corporate, but Microsoft and Google are just shit.

Why? When corporations weren't capable of managing credit cards securely, PCI was created and all the lazy businesses were told to either do this correctly, or outsource it to someone who will.

When corporations weren't capable of managing infrastructure, Cloud providers created an out and told all the lazy businesses that they could do this correctly. Businesses believed the hype, fired their on-prem administrators, and still can't do this thing correctly.

So, if you can't be bothered to do something correctly, and you can't pay to get it done correctly, maybe you are not fit to be operating.



> still can't do this thing correctly

> and you can't pay to get it done correctly

Am I reading this right? You're blaming the business that is purchasing a service, for the provider's inability to provide it?


> So, if you can't be bothered to do something correctly, and you can't pay to get it done correctly, maybe you are not fit to be operating.

The amount spent on Microsoft suggests a willingness to blow money on the problem.

But with Google having no real support, always shutting down projects, and now losing a lot of people's Drive data and refusing to acknowledge it makes me reluctant to use them.

Teams is janky in other ways, such as Microsoft forcing Sharepoint everywhere, and now we have a chat program that attempts to silo data as much as possible so we a lot of project documentation that isn't always accessible or discoverable.

If you have alternative suggestions, I am open to them.


We’re perfectly willing to pay for it. An employee seat costs about $200pm of various licenses and subscriptions, there’s a lot of money to make.




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