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You both broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. We have to ban accounts that do that, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. Not cool.
If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it. That includes not getting involved in flamewars and certainly not attacking other users.
It's not ridiculous at all, or koolaid, to quote Trump on his own policies.
People aren't fear mongering about Trump dissolving the department of education, for example. He said he would.
People are also not fear mongering about Trump deploying the military on US soil to clean out immigrants and naturalized citizens. He said he would.
People are also not fear mongering about Trump surveilling and punishing women who go out of state to get an abortion. He said he would.
People are not fear mongering when they say Trump will remove insurance protections that grant access to gender affirming care and PrEP. He said he would.
This will directly result in many women dying, many homosexuals dying, and many trans people dying. This isn't up for debate, so don't bother trying.
If you won't even listen to Trump on the things HE'S saying, why did you vote for him? This isn't rhetorical - if you don't agree with the things I've just said, why did you vote for him?
The fact that statements that are well documented as being uttered, with corroborated evidence and also no denial that they indeed were, is that also part of the everything that's up for debate in your post-truth world?
May you not see the day when you're on the wrong side of that logic. I suspect that if you live long enough and need costly help that's not profitable to the now-improved US plutocracy, I fear that you will.
In line with the other reply, it's simply a matter of cause and effect. If you are unable to come to terms with cause and effect, then you are the closed minded one.
For example, if you remove low-cost PrEP more homosexuals WILL get HIV. WILL. Not might. Not may. WILL. It is really that simple.
Okay, so therefore if you have policy, which many conservatives do, that insurance should not be mandated to provide affordable PrEP than you MUST support more homosexuals getting HIV.
The problem here is people are cowards and weasels. They support things, knowing full well of the consequences of it, and then will proclaim they don't support the consequences. That's impossible, it doesn't work that way. That's true closed-mindedness.
If I support adding bottomless pits all over the road, then I support some drivers diving in them. That's how the world works, cause and effect, and even small children learn this quickly. It's only when the adults start to weasel that there's room for "debate".
I would have much more tolerance for conservative opinions if they would just outright say they want more homosexuals to get HIV, as a punishment. Or say they want more women to die. But they don't, because they're cowards before conservatives. I cannot respect a coward.
This isn’t a matter of perspectives, it’s a matter of consequences.
Consequences which are already happening. Women are dying from abortion laws. Trans individuals are dying due to anti trans laws. The data is out there proving it.
