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So much needless discussion because someone makes an ill thought out hot take. Most engineered objects of any substantial complexity include built in test systems. They would be impossible to build without them.


If civil engineers could launch their dams in debug mode instead of flying out and crawling through a tube, I think they would. They just can't.

Though some would still prefer the tube. That's up to them.

Service tubes and jack points and JTAG and whatever ship in physically assembled artifacts because they have to, not because they should.


No, you are wrong.

In-situ fault testing and isolation is an engineering principle that per pervasive across many domains. You want your auto manufacturer to rip anything related to tell you why it doesn't work?

You are just trying to defend a previous opinion by throwing out some acronyms to dress up your argument.

They should spin two boards, one with jtag and one without and then how would they debug the board they just removed the jtag on?

All systems are dynamic, all reliable dynamic systems use feedback, but you are arguing that engineers would rather remove those feedback mechanisms?

The fallacy meter just cracked.


The answer to your needlessly aggressive questions is, no, of course not. None of that is anything I'm saying.

I'm genuinely sorry if it's frustrating, hopefully not, but I'm exiting this conversation now.




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