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That is a totally separate question from whether this precedent will directly cause deaths that you and everyone else here will feel bad about. What happens when people internalize that it's not only okay but good to go kill the "bad guys" since the law won't?


What happens when society internalizes that it’s okay for a CEO’s actions to cause the deaths of thousands, and that that somehow weighs less heavily on the scale than one murder? The UHC CEO in my opinion did a lot more harm to people than Luigi.

The point is that people won’t internalize that vigilantism is the right path unless the system is broken. If you don’t want that, fix the system.


> society internalizes that it’s okay for a CEO’s actions to cause the deaths of thousands

How did they kill thousands? Insurance companies doesn't determine your treatment, doctors do. If you mean they deny some optional treatments, that is what socialized healthcare has to do as well, are you saying European politicians are also the cause of thousands of deaths since they deny some expensive treatments that could save lives, and thus should be killed?


This is easily searchable given all the news around it. Here’s a fine start: https://fortune.com/2024/12/05/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-th...


Well, are you reading it properly? It seems like they have to be cheaper since

> According to personal finance platform ValuePenguin, UnitedHealthcare denies 32% of claims compared to the industry average of 16%.

Since there are laws mandating they have to pay out a certain amount, they can't just pay out less than other insurance companies. So either they have lower premiums, meaning it wasn't the CEO that caused the deaths, it was the person choosing a cheap health insurance, or they have more expensive patients covered, which leads to the same conclusion the insurance needs to get more expensive to cover those patients.

I don't see how the CEO is evil here, if he makes a worse insurance but is more affordable to people?

I guess people read this "Under his leadership, profits for UnitedHealthcare surged from $12 billion in 2021, to more than $16 billion in 2023", and think they get more profits by denying more people, but that didn't happen since their revenue shot up proportionally. They pay out the same fraction as before.

So all you show here is you are easily misled by statistics, that caused an innocent man to get murdered and now you celebrate.

Edit: Its also possible he said "Lets focus on life saving treatments and deny the cheaper claims", and thus denial rate shot up since now they cover more life saving treatments than other insurance companies. But still they paid out the same fraction of everyone else, they didn't earn profits by denying people that is just a lie.


> Insurance companies doesn't determine your treatment, doctors do.

I'm sorry you don't understand how insurance in the US works. This is patently false. Insurance companies absolutely determine your treatment, and not just for "optional treatments" whatever that means.


It is not false, doctors has to treat you if you have a life threatening condition. Insurance companies only decide for stuff that are unrelated to that.


That's only true in the case of very specific life threatening conditions. If your having a heart attack, sure the insurance company doesn't get a say. Long term illness? 100% the insurance determines treatment.

My sister has MS. After failing to respond to a variety of interventions, and losing her ability to walk (for context: this is a woman who ran an ultra marathon the year she was diagnosed) her neurologist wanted to put her on a new drug with lots of studies backing it. Insurance said no. Both my sister and the hospital appealed. Still refused. Sure technically the doctor was still free to prescribe it, but with my sister unable to pay out of pocket, what good does a prescription you can't actually get do?

It wasn't until about a year and a half later when she landed in the emergency room for two weeks that the insurance company finally relented.

MS is a progressive condition. The nerve and brain damage done during those 18 months will be with her for the rest of her life, and will shorten her lifespan.

The idea that insurance companies only make calls on "optional" things that don't affect if the patient lives or dies is simply false.




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