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Why would they not be there then? How is that supposed to even work if it doesn't affect consumers' behavior?!

This kind of argument reminds me of a French politician who defended a tax on sweet drinks as a way to fight against the obesity crisis looming (France performs better than most country in that regard, but the situation is still bad). She wanted a tax to deter the consumption of sweet drinks, but at the same time they wanted the tax to stay at “a level where it would not affect the purchasing power of people”.



>>Why would they not be there then?

Funny because I was going to use that exact example as something that absolutely works. I can easily afford the sugar tax where I live, it's been around for a few years now. But when I go to a store and a box of regular coke is more expensive than diet it makes me not pick regular even though the difference is meaningless financially to me.

I understand the same mechanism works with cigarettes and loads of other things - even if you can afford them the increasing price puts you off.

But maybe for a more relevant example - I can comfortably afford parking right in the city centre where I live. But the idea of paying what's being asked for parking puts me off so much I just park at the nearest park and ride and take the metro in.


> But when I go to a store and a box of regular coke is more expensive than diet it makes me not pick regular even though the difference is meaningless financially to me.

So you're telling me that the very same people who refuse to buy non-brand Coke copies whose taste is indistinguishable from true Coke in blind tests would accept to buy Diet Coke despite it tasting like shit in a way that everyone can feel? And they would do so for a smaller gain than what it would save them to buy the cheap copy?


I cannot speak for what other people would or wouldn't do - just told you how I make my purchasing decisions.


This kind of policy is 100% about “what other people would or wouldn't do” though.


Which is why I kept insisting that OP posts some factual data to back up their claims, because as much as I enjoy the guessing of who does what and how and when, it's just a bunch of strangers on the internet giving their theories so far(me included of course).


These are all lifestyle choices. You don't need to do any of those things. Getting to work or getting around one's own city are not lifestyle options. They're necessities.

Using market-style policies to try to nudge people around only works if there are alternatives they can choose from. In this case for many people there are not.


>>In this case for many people there are not.

And like I said in my other comment - those people most likely still continue driving and pay the $9 fee. It's people who have other options or who simply don't really need to be there who have now stopped.

This exact same scheme has played out in many other cities already, this isn't new.


How is where to work and live not a lifestyle choice?


You cannot chose to live in Manhattan unless you have the money to do so. Most people can barely chose their employer as well.


People working _in Manhattan_ can't choose their employer and where to live? Come on. People commuting in from NJ just prefer to live in the suburbs.


> People working _in Manhattan_ can't choose their employer and where to live

None of the blue collar workers in Manhattan (the janitors, the restaurant waiters and cook, etc. the massive working class that is needed for white collar work to be able to operate) can live in Manhattan.


I can also afford the parking in the city center, but mostly choose to patronize businesses in the suburbs where the parking is free (and usually plentiful). That I think is what city business owners are worried about.




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