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Are you referring to [Harlon Cater: the man who militarized the cops and the NRA](https://open.spotify.com/episode/1KenPS9FUFfumy2D3auvuR?si=F...)?


I've only been around "gun culture" for 5-6 years or so, but not a single person I know in the fairly conservative area of my fairly conservative state thinks talking shit about a gun company means you're anti-gun - especially Sig which everyone hates now.

Nobody takes the NRA seriously or cares anything about what they do, either, so maybe I just happen to be in a sane pocket of the culture but other than the obvious paid shills like GBRS who are terrible human beings anyway, even on YouTube and other sources everyone has been talking shit on Sig for a year or longer.


> maybe I just happen to be in a sane pocket of the culture

Same in my circle too. NRA is perceived as an embezzling joke that spends more on yachts than preserving the right to keep and bear arms, and Sig is an untrustworthy joke that is allergic to taking accountability.


Sure! Now you feel that way about the NRA.

I’m talking about early 1990s until their recent fall from grace.


Eh, this is someone in SIG leadership using every scapegoat and excuse they can to avoid having to acknowledge or take responsibility for their screwup, instead compounding it to the point where it will seriously hurt the company - maybe even torpedo them.

The things you’re talking about give them some cover/mechanisms, but most other manufacturers are looking on in horror at this, not copying them.


Yeah American gun culture is now substantially LARPers kitting up like they're going to the front lines.

Ironically they call people who are into sportsmanship "fudders" and any gun that doesn't have a picatinny rail and a 20-round clip a "fudd gun." The reference is to "Elmer Fudd."


Being a Fudd isn't about being into sportsmanship. It's about opposing the civilian ownership of firearms besides bolt action rifles and non-semiautomatic shotguns.


You can find Fudd being applied to all manner of behaviors, it’s certainly not universally a gun control label.

USPSA competitors will refer to IDPA competitors as Fudds just because of the scoring differences.

It’s really just like calling someone a boomer but in a gun context.


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Yes we all know the difference between a clip and a magazine. This isn't adding anything to the discussion.


I think the idea that if you don't know the basic names of something your opinion on it is suspect is a fair criticism. Especially with the very odd reference to a 20-round magazine. There is no state in the country where a 20-round AR magazine is legal and the standard-capacity 30-round magazine is not. Virginia has a 20-round maximum but only on handguns.


It should be acknowledged that the commenter is an avid NPR listener (nothing wrong with that) who doesn't have any skin in the game (something wrong with that, at least per his commentary).




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