Good. There's nothing else stopping EVs from mass adoption besides these artificial barriers. You cannot undermine progress forever. I bet the auto factory workers are told they are supposed to feel upset about this. They should feel upset, because their government hasn't addressed the global shift to EVs sooner.
Canada is not really independent of the USA. The better way to view this is that Canada is like California. This is not a battle between countries but an internal civil conflict within the hegemony.
And your reply does not touch on the 'unkind' portion of my comment. Why should those workers suffer more than they already have?
No capitalist market country is independent of any other country in the 21st century and for most of the 20th. This isn't saying much, it's just a matter of degrees.
Yes, Canada is economically integrated with the US to a massive degree and we're each other's biggest trading partners. But the analogy with California is a totally false one.
They are a US state subject to its federal laws and political system. We are not.
We maintain political independence, and need to maintain that independence.
'We maintain political independence, and need to maintain that independence.'
By allowing EVs from China?
You would think if you wanted to be independent you would have your own EV car company. If EVs are the future and Canada cannot make competitive EVs with china this means Canada will not have an auto sector. Given that there are hundreds of thousands of people working in this area it doesnt actually bode well for Canadians.
I am actually Canadian this is why I am so familiar with the situation.
I think we're in substantial agreement but Canada has this sickness in all sectors which seems to stop us from authoring our own destiny, some of it is cultural but I think the bulk of it is economic. Most investors here don't take risks because they're busy living low-risk parasitical lives off the resource export and real estate industries.
I would love a Canadian EV company to exist because I'd love to work there as a software engineer.
You will guarantee that there is no EV manufacturing in Canada if you allow for wholesale important of offshore EVs. Just as there is no manufacturing of almost anything else within Canada.
You are literally advocating for something that is against your own desires.
I don't think it's so clear cut. The US auto sector packing up and leaving and taking the auto parts manufacturing world with it -- which is what's happening now anyways -- wouldn't exactly create massive opportunities here, either.
Who would buy these EVs if we build them in Canada?
The Canadian market cannot support a car company without exporting the majority of production. The US is our largest natural market and does not want our auto exports. It's unclear why other markets would want our EVs either.
Artificial barriers to protect an industry where we don't have an advantage (autos) which results in tariffs on a sectors where we do (agricultural products, resources) isn't sustainable or desirable.
Unfortunately that (rip and ship energy / resource exporter economy) is what the conservative party wants, what the political leadership in the prairie provinces want, and it's what the US wants for us. And it's hinted at increasingly by Carney ("energy superpower") etc. You're right it's myopic and not good.
But parent poster is correct that blindly subsidizing and funding a local industry with no market will also just lead to boondoggles and failures.
Especially in the context of an uncooperative trading partner which could have been a potential export market for our production in the past but now is a hostile state trying to break apart national unity and destroy what little manufacturing sector successes we have.
We've already had major issues around the massive battery construction plants proposed here in Ontario and Quebec, that got major government support and investment.
Unfortunately this is the very difficult place the manufacturing sector in Canada finds itself in. And the Canadian working class as a whole.
I wouldn't call it myopic to be skeptical here. If there was an easy answer Canada would have taken it decades ago.
I mean if you just control your borders you dont need government investment and support. This is the backwards way of creating tariffs. The problem is that it is asymmentric. A larger country can do that way better than a smaller. Aka they could make their product cost zero if they really want.
I hate to say it but the boondoggles of Canada are just graft. These arent investments in any real sense.
As for this line 'Unfortunately this is the very difficult place the manufacturing sector in Canada finds itself in. And the Canadian working class as a whole.'
look this is just neoliberalism. Maybe stop doing that and things will suck less.
It doesn't matter what you or I want. How much money do you think the Canadian government should put behind a domestic auto maker? 10s of billions? 100s of billions?
How much are 125k manufacturing jobs in Ontario worth? Are there no better economic sectors that we can build up?
Iver heard its 700k total but lets not quibble.
The value of economic development is difficult to measure in the mere wages or size of total industry (I mean here we are still definitely talking 10s of billons) It is the total contribution to the complexity of the economy. I think people are extremely confused about economic development because they are trained to view the world as mobile capital.
It might simply be that Canada cannot compete in any market. You have a very interesting choice at this stage. Do you A. not have an economy or B. have an economy that may require some sheltering from the world.
A mobile capitalist wants A. A human that is bound to the country probably wants B.
The problem for Canada is that it is so heavily integrated with the United States economy and so heavily dependent on trade with the United States that it is susceptible to a level of coercion that seriously calls its sovereignty into question.
Up until Trump, Canadians viewed the United States as a friendly country, and had a hard time imagining that the US would actually employ its massive leverage in a malicious way. The most concerning thing for Canadians should not be that Trump has tried to employ this leverage against Canada, but that Americans haven't risen up in revolt against this attack on a friendly country. Canada cannot rely on the US being a friendly country in the future, even if Trump does leave office in 2029 (which he is already suggesting he may not do).
So legally speaking, yes, Canada is not like California. Canada is formally an independent country. But practically speaking, unless Canada takes drastic measures, it may become more like California than like an independent country, for all practical intents and purposes.
Canada has a toothless EV mandate that is actively undermined by both its own domestic auto industry which on the whole is basically refusing to make them -- and when they do price them only as luxury vehicles.
But also by its political right, and at least one of its national newspapers which is continually running anti-EV FUD. Not the least because our second largest sector in the country (after manufacturing) is oil&gas, and the energy sector is the most powerful political-economic block in the country and the source of ideological power & influence in the western half of the country.
Similar tensions in the US.
There are active disinformation campaigns about EVs running constantly, and if you follow the money it always ends up back at the petroleum sector.
Why dont Canadian consumers switch to EVs naturally? Probably because they are more expensive and lack the capacity of existing vehicles. Its not that hard it is simple economics.
There is no longer any justification for EVs to be as expensive as they are is the problem.
Prices for batteries have plummeted and they're the only expensive component of an electric car so why do we still only see EVs in the luxury vehicle price tier / category?
The North American auto industry refuses to produce a low cost EV.
Although the Bolt is coming back, so that's good I guess. Too bad it's made in the US so I won't touch it.
This is the wrong take. Economic dependence on China is a massive national security threat. Exporting your manufacturing base to a nation that opposes the fundamental values of a nation is completely suicidal, and if war ever occurs, you’re toast. China is increasingly belligerent with their excess industrial capacity, engaging in dumping and overproducing to cut out competing non-Chinese manufacturers. They engage heavily in IP theft.
Allowing critical manufacturing supply chains to move to China is stupid.
> Exporting your manufacturing base to a nation that opposes the fundamental values of a nation is completely suicidal
How do you feel about integrating your manufacturing base with a nation that opposes the fundamental values of our nation, and constantly fantasizes about annexing our nation?
Unless you're arguing for Canada to make its own EV manufacturing industry independently from both China and America?
The problem is that as of now, the dependence on USA is more destabilizing. It is a country that has fundamental values difference against Canada, threatened Canada just recently and if war occurs, it is huge issue for Canada.
What's the alternative to Canada? To be depended on the states who, very openly, threaten them on every possible occasion?
Unfortunately, it's not 2000s/2010s anymore, and rules of the game have changed. Most countries realize that there is a future that's not purely Pax-Americana (including USA as well). Sovereign nations will choose what's best for them and their future, especially in the cases of a neighbouring bully.
Palmer Lucky touched on this last week - how China would love to slowly winnow away American automobile manufacturing capacity, because that capacity would be converted to wartime production in the event of a large scale war.
Serious question: hasn't the western world largely exporting their manufacturing base to China for everything, just not EVs/batteries? There is a major conflict here between corporate profits vs national security. Consumers generally don't care about vague concepts like national security if it makes things cheaper.
It’s a tragedy of the horizon (if I may use the term coined by the Prime Minister). Basically, corporations and democratic countries are more focussed on the short term, such that long term concerns like national security, climate change etc… are not appropriately integrated into risk models.
China has been a stable and reliable trading partner with Canada for a long time. Canada is far too small a country to produce everything it needs within it's own borders. If anyone ever declares war on Canada then we're toast, so we're best not going out of our way to make enemies with the world's dominant superpowers –one of which is actively threatening our sovereignty.
China is always willing to dump, tariff and subversively coerce its way into hollowing industries. This is not stable nor reliable. It is aggressive and a national security threat.
They infiltrate civil society through their networks of “police stations” and the Confucius Institute with the aim of placing sycophants in positions of power.
They aren’t our friends, and Canadian civil society needs to recognize that.
It's been 20 years, what cheap Chinese goods have raised in prices? The china dump accusation is retarded at this point, the reality is PRC is manufacturing superpower who permanently reduces costs for the simple reason they need affordable prices for domestic market that incidentally makes them stupid competitive. Now if your argument is we should erect protectionist walls to protect industrial base, that makes sense. But Canadian auto base is tied to US and US doesn't want to share anymore which means dead Canadian auto. The option left is to take cheap Chinese EVs, do some sort of Canadian JV where we capture some value vs potentially losing car manufacturing completely. PRC probably fine with that, their "dumping" is selling cars abroad for 2x domestic MSRP, they can feasibly live with splitting that 2x while US wants it all.
They especially aren't our friends if we go out of our way to make enemies with them. Why would we do that? It doesn't make any sense. It's a small world, China isn't going anywhere, we're stuck living on the same planet as them. They aren't going to have less of an influence on our affairs in the future going forward.
Canada has a long standing problem. The only thing we've ever been good at is natural resource extraction. Ironically we have several world class universities producing very talented people and IP, and the vast majority of it goes to the states to make money. Then here in Canada we carry on digging stuff out of the ground.
First, dependence on the US hasn’t exactly worked out very well for us the past year. As a smaller nation, Canada has to be dependent on its trade with more powerful nations, and that comes with risks regardless of what nation we’re dependent on.
Second, I don’t buy your fear mongering about China. There’s not much fundamentally different about China and western nations in 2025. They’re a capitalist society prioritizing growth at all costs, same as every other western nation. China is not interested in war, and has stated that consistently over the years.
Third, as far as “critical manufacturing supply chains” go, extremely inefficient luxury personal vehicles don’t fit that definition.
Canada already isn’t economically independent. Diversification is fine, especially if it saves costs that can then be deliberately redirected towards improving sovereign capabilities. Right now we have the worst of both worlds, we pay top much for stuff or can’t get it, and remain completely dependent on the US and China.
We could and should further diversify by removing whatever barriers are keeping European cars out.
Europeans want to protect their local car companies but Canadians don't have any. The best they can hope for is a branch from a foreign country setting up a local factory to make cars for the local population.
The neoliberals didn't care about national security when they shifted the manufacturing and jobs to China for profit. They were outplayed by the Chinese.
My anger lies with the neoliberal elites not the Chinese. The elites can go die on the battlefield. Its their mess.
Mass adoption of EVs is inevitable anyway. It's just a matter of being say 5 years behind China. Even if those 5 years now look like 10% vs 50% market share, in 10 years they will mean nothing.
>Good. There's nothing else stopping EVs from mass adoption besides these artificial barriers.
EVs arent able to function in -40c That happens in Canada every year.
Anything under 0c has risk of freezing the lithium battery's electrolyte and will have very very significant capacity loss; not to mention damaging cells. That's a huge problem for Canada.
I look forward to solid state batteries having far better low temp performance.
None of the 4 biggest Canadian cities have EVER had -40C temperatures. No, wind chill does not count.
In fact, most years they’re not even getting to -30C, and if it does happen it’s only for 1 to 2 days. The rest of the time you’re dealing with average -10C, which China also regularly deals with. But guess what, even if you can’t use your EV one day out of 364 days that’s not that big a deal. Most people should just stay home that day.
The source is I’m Canadian and lived in Ottawa for a decade.
Not just the 4 biggest. None of them... unless you're counting the far north. Maybe Fort Mac in an extreme cold spell, but even there it would be only overnight and extremely rare.
And also an EV would work just fine, just with lower efficiency.
That’s not true, Alberta and Manitoba do get that cold, and even colder during extreme events. The territories also deal with these temperatures as well. But if necessary those places can stick to ICE and the rest of Canada where the vast majority lives can use EVs
Looking it up online, it looks like Edmonton experienced -40C as recently as 2022. That’s probably the minimum and the average was a lot higher though.
Any place that regularly gets below -40C (in other words, places colder than Edmonton) has block heater plugs in parking spots. You can hook your EV up to the block heater plug and it'll keep your battery warm. In the summer that plug will also charge your car. In the winter, it just keeps the battery warm. Which incidentally helps range because a warm battery lasts a lot longer than a cold one.
If you're not plugged in, your EV should be using its stored energy to keep the battery alive, which it can do for several days.
Are you seriously suggesting that Chinese automobile companies exporting to Europe and possibly North America are oblivious to the existence of winter? Their own country has cities like Harbin where temperatures can reach -35.
This is just outright FUD from this person. Or just ignorance combined with a need to be heard, I don't know.
I lived in Edmonton and surrounding rural Alberta for the first 25 years of my life, the most northern and cold major city in the country and it does not get to -40 unless you're counting wind chill, and cars don't feel wind chill, people do.
An EV has no real problems operating in typical Canadian weather, less problems than a gas car in fact. Yes, they lose efficiency but so do gas and diesel vehicles.
And sodium ion batteries are now entering mass production, which have no efficiency loss in extremely cold weather, and in fact will outperform ICE in this regard (though their power density is lower than lithium ion)
I love how you went back and edited post-facto to try to shore up your claim. Come on.
Edmonton, where I'm actually from, has had record lows of -40, but these are extreme outliers. When people speak of -40 in Edmonton they mean wind chill, not real temps. Look at a scatter plot of actual temperatures in Edmonton and it's really not the drama you're implying.
Cold climate is not the barrier to EV adoption. Pricing (and politics) is. Anywhere in the world where EVs have been price competitive to ICE vehicles, consumers have preferred them.
There are political / economic interests in Canada (and North America generally) that absolutely do not want EV adoption. One would expect that from an oil&gas producing nation. Doesn't mean that reasonable people who understand that climate change is an actual thing should support this position.
Can anyone elaborate on why Canada has 100% tariffs on EVs? I think I know why the US does: lobbying by American automakers. Did the US threaten Canada unless they followed suit a long time ago, and is this change a sign that leverage is now lost?
Canada has a large car industry itself - 100% might be excessive, but every western nation now faces a choice between tariffs on EVs or letting their car industry be completely eviscerated with hundreds of thousands of job losses
They can also be incoherent. Don't know about Canada, but here in France we also have a bunch of auto manufacturers and the government seems completely lunatic with these policies.
On the one hand, there's a very strong push to reduce car usage. In Paris, the speed limit has been reduced to 30 km/h, 50 on the ring road, many lanes and parking have been removed to improve bike infrastructure. Then, when sales drop and jobs are on the line, those same people are absolutely shocked.
Now, personally, I'm all for reducing traffic in cities. I'm not particularly keen on breathing exhaust all day every day or getting run over by two tons of steel. Sure, a whole debate can be had on specific use cases, people living where there's no public transit, etc. But my point is that you can't, on the one hand, push for something, then be angry when you obtain the consequences.
Up until a few years ago, there was a very hard push for diesel engines. Local companies invested a lot in those. Now these engines are practically banned, and even gasoline ones aren't faring too well. So, automakers have to scramble to move to electric, but it takes time. While other companies, built from the ground up to this, already have models head and shoulders above what we can produce. And politicians, true to nature, come up with all kinds of weird incentives. They've recently introduced a weight tax on vehicles [0]. On the face of it, it's an "SUV-tax" to limit "gas-guzzlers". Cue surprised faces when they realize a Tesla weighs as much as an SUV (I'm talking European models here, so no absurd Escalades or what have you).
[0] This is France, so laws have exceptions. Electrics get an "allowance", which basically reduces the mass considered for the tax. But it's not entirely clear how that works. Ditto for hybrids.
I'm not convinced there's that big a of a difference as you seem to imply.
Most politicians aren't independent: they are members of parties and, generally, push for the same kind of policies, "the party line".
The Paris mayor is a member of a left party, the Parti Socialiste (PS). The same people who tend to cry foul when plants close down and people are laid off. This party is also more or less in some form of alliance with the Green Party who's also very much against cars. In the lower chamber no party has an absolute majority, but through (shaky) alliances, "the left" has the most seats (still no absolute majority, though). Also, many members of the President's party used to be members of the PS (including President Macron).
So, I'm pretty confortable lumping all these people together, since, broadly-speaking, they defend the same policies, even though there may be the occasional difference.
Like you said, they do have significantly different policies regardless of the fact that they’re in the same general parties, so maybe it doesn’t make much sense to lump them so together. Local politics are very different from national politics.
Umm, it doesn't? I'm assuming you're comparing Tesla non-SUV's to other SUV's. Tesla's aren't light, but they're lighter than most comparably sized SUV's. For example, a model 3 weighs 3800 pounds but a BMW X3 weighs 4200 pounds.
The Tesla is very close. The Renault Scenic EV, which is a popular kind of car here, weighs 1842 kg according to Wikipedia. Not sure if it's considered an SUV, but it's taller and this model used to be considered a "family car".
The limit is very low, 1800 kg (4000 lbs) initially and it's lowered gradually to 1500 kgs (3300 lbs).
My 2005 gasoline-powered mercedes c coupé weighed 1600 kg. My dad's hybrid corolla weighs over 1500 kgs.
An X3 (1930kg) is 100kg heavier than a Tesla (1822kg) in the EU (according to the manufacturers websites) and nobody here would think of an X3 as a small car.
We don't need to force anyone, toyota is happy making cars in Ontario. Kia/Hyundai/Hondas are everywhere on the road, all we needed to do is splash some incentive cash and we could cut out American automakers pretty quickly.
Unfortunately, those Japanese manufacturers are located here because of the American market, because even though there's a healthy domestic market... 80% of what they produce is exported to the US through NAFTA, etc. And they're also here because of the auto-parts supply chain that moves freely back and forth across the border.
The markets are heavily intertwined and have been for decades. E.g. Ford Canada is just as old as Ford in the US.
The “U.S.” car industry is actually the North American car industry. Factories are in Canada, Mexico and the U.S. primarily and parts move across the border duty-free. This dates back to the Auto-pact.
Canada almost certainly does not want to allow Chinese made vehicles to undercut their local producers. Any talk of this is just posturing and threats in the ongoing trade negotiations.
Trump says he wants every car sold in the United States to be made domestically.
The old integrated cross-border auto manufacturing system is over. Stellantis is already moving production of Jeep from Brampton to Illinois, and others are expected to follow.
Because the Canadian auto industry is twin-joined to the American auto industry. A lot of parts that go to the American cars are made in Ontario.
Now, since his American majesty decided to throw away the Canadian auto industry we don't have anything to protect. Better to make deals with the Chinese now, before the whole American auto industry is destroyed.
Partially competition, as a couple of provinces have large car manufacturing. (Ontario and Quebec, mostly). Partially that there's no repair or maintenance infrastructure, nor guarantee a car will keep functioning if (say) the manufacturer shuts down or a model gets discontinued.
As to how much of which, that's a good question, and not one I've seen any answers to.
Canada has something like 500k jobs tied up in the automobile industry. This plays a larger role in the decision than “US strategy” but I am assuming with this stupid trade war it can tip the balance to reducing that tariff.
Carney also has to play a balancing act of western vs central Canadian interests. Oil & gas & canola are on the table here, and it's a dangerous situation. If we lean hard into trying to prop up Ontario's auto-sector we cause a serious crisis for prairie canola farmers, etc.
Both China and the US know this and are playing cat and mouse with us, fanning tensions, and the US is outright funding western separatists and encouraging grievance politics around their resource exports. The US has aggressively tariffed manufactured goods coming out of central Canada (and forestry out of BC) while leaving potash and oil & gas out of AB/SK untouched while simultaneously outright funding far right groups there that are are agitating against Canadian unity.
At the same time China has slapped tariffs on canola and made it clear that EV tariffs are part of the calculus there.
I don't see an easy way out of this. As a resident of Ontario I'd be sad to see the auto sector here go, and it would lead to massive economic devastation here ... but it feels entirely inevitable at this point. Not just because of tariffs but because the actual products from the Big3 automakers are increasingly mediocre and what they're producing here is on the whole not fine, sustainable, products anyways.
Car parts, and Honda & Toyota plants are another story, maybe.
The Canadian and American automotive industry was (until very recently) tightly integrated. 1 in 10 American cars were made in Canada, with parts going back and forth across the border sometimes multiple times in the assembly chain. The automotive sector is also a significant portion of Ontario’s GDP.
So a lot of incentive for Canada to side with America on this. But Trump blew up that relationship, and this is the consequence.
> Canada announced Monday it is launching a 100% tariff on imports of Chinese-made electric vehicles, matching U.S. tariffs imposed over what Western governments say are China’s subsidies that give its industry an unfair advantage.
> The announcement came after encouragement by U.S. national security advisor Jake Sullivan during a meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Cabinet ministers Sunday.
You need to understand: for every tariff the US places on China, the more excess industrial capacity that China needs to direct elsewhere. It goes for steel, autos and more. This means, since America sanctioned Chinese steel, China has been dumping their steel into Canadian markets. With the excess electric car capacity unable to be absorbed by America, China wants to direct it elsewhere. If they start exporting to Canada, this excess capacity will completely destroy automotive manufacturing in Canada, leading to mass layoffs and entire industrial supply chains falling apart. This will inevitably lead to political instability as a large portion of second tier cities in Ontario start having a labour crisis.
This is evidently not ideal. I bore witness to manufacturing completely leave my hometown, third tier city over the span of a decade. Today, there is little economic opportunity in that town, with massive drug abuse, and petty crime. It used to be a nice place, and working in a factory earned you an honest living. Unfettered trade with China killed places like this, destroying an entire generation.
At the end of the day, wanting electric cars from China depends on your values, do you want incredibly cheap electric vehicles, even if it means destroying an entire industry that the largest province in the country relies upon? Or do you want to maintain a functional manufacturing base that is critical to political and social stability?
The outsourcing of American manufacturing was done by the American Corporate Elites. I hope some of your anger is directed towards them.
Lutnick has already stated that America wants all vehicles for sale in America to be built in America. Any vehicles built outside America will be tariffed.
Sure, the Chinese will destroy Canadian any auto-manufacturing left for the domestic market, but it is the Trump administration's stated goal to dismantle the Canadian auto-sector, which is happening now.
Not "set to", more like "considering to". But I very much hope we do it.
Cons: it will probably be the death sentence to the Canadian auto industry.
Pros: the gas engine auto industry is dying already anyway, with or without a deal with the Chinese. Besides, if we make the deal now, at least we can sell canola and pork to them.
It already has a death sentence on the calendar: 2035
This is a direct response to tariffs. Canada is done playing nice with its big jerk trading partner and will be opening its options to achieve this goal if the tariffs aren't lifted.
Worth considering at least, and looking at approaches like you mentioned and avoiding allowing free entry of foreign vehicles. We could consider partnerships (if China is interested) like we have with other foreign manufacturers like Honda and Toyota. We should also be considering expanding the existing relationships, though I'm sure there are retooling costs, and possibly playing hardball with other manufacturers to encourage them to setup shop (e.g. Kia/Hyundai).
I doubt I'm offering anything that hasn't been part of discussions already, but having the ability to manufacture vehicles seems like an area of industrialization a country shouldn't part with lightly.
It'd be nice to us dropping to 30% like the EU worked out with China... or even 50% if that is enough to get canola tariffs dropped.
I drive a Polestar2, a Chinese (Geely) produced EV. The quality is good. The price for what it is... too high. And now most support for it is being dropped and sales networks in North America drying up because of these tariffs and political moves.
Canada has an unique advantage in dealing with China that many don't realize or underestimate. Unlike many other countries, Canada holds a very special place for many Chinese people. Dr. Norman Bethune, who died during World War II while working in a field hospital, is a highly respected physician and a household name in China; There was a very catchy song from a Canadian potash TV commercial that many Chinese people remember from the early days when many Chinese watch the TV for the first time; Mark Henry Rowswell (aka Dashan) is perhaps the best-known stand-up comedian in China. Overall, I’d say Canada occupies a warm and special place in the hearts of Chinese people, including the age group of current administration. I don’t understand how the two countries have become hostile toward each other.
OTOH, Europe has set their Chinese EV tariffs up at a defensible level. They're nominally set up in a way to offset subsidies. Canada should have set up its tariffs at the European level.
Now it's probably too late, its a political football. Canada will either make a deal with China or the US in exchange for those tariffs.
So here's the thing. We dont have free trade with China and Auto manufacturing is something have the resources to do and export. The tariff will be something and it's going to be high because we protect our jobs and markets. Not to mention heavy investment from the government. Canada produces far more cars than we need for ourselves, it's an export focus.
China then tariffed us on canola for example; but the Federal liberals arent going to melt down Ontario for the benefit a few thousand western farmers who will never vote liberal.
Counterpoint though, stellantis and GM are essentially exitting Canada due to Trump. Essentially every single car manufacturer has commented they are exitting Canada and we're penalizing them all. Has trump forced us into the hands of China and Europe?
>Has trump forced us into the hands of China and Europe?
Indeed. In order to get/keep Argentina out of the hands of the Chinese Trump gives them $40 Billion. A pretty risky venture considering their past record. I am aware that there are other reasons for the bailout (e.g. Citron hedge fund manager, who could lose a fortune, is a buddy of Bessant etc.).
Canada on the other hand gets lots of bullying. The hegemonic goal of the USA is to control the Western hemisphere, yet Trump does everything to make the Canadians want to pivot towards China. Is that what the Geopolitical Elites in Washington want? Or is it a ploy, to push Canada into the hands of China, giving the USA an excuse to "take Canada over".
