> facts to counter-argue your point of: "hasn't ever led to quality software in any shape or form, neither it ever will".
Your line of reasoning is something akin to - there are some skilled programmers that have shipped high quality software and wrote the code using lubed mechanical switches.
Therefore there MUST be something about lubing your switches and obsessing over clacks and thocks that contributes to quality of software somehow.
It's some weird bizzaro cargo cult reasoning.
Unix/webdevs often tend to use vim/emacs -> therefore this absolutely must contribute to the quality of software somehow (it has to!)
Except there are absolutely no basis for this claim, as there are high quality software that is written using neither vim nor emacs nor lubed mechanical switches.
> > facts to counter-argue your point of: "hasn't ever led to quality software in any shape or form, neither it ever will".
> Your line of reasoning is something akin to - there are some skilled programmers that have shipped high quality software and wrote the code using lubed mechanical switches.
No, I can second that the claim of "hasn't ever led to quality software in any shape or form" has been pretty solidly invalidated by GP. You may be able to claim many other things, and some of them might be true, but that point above won't be.
By pointing out that SOME widely used software (mostly web/web infra with unix heritage) has been written using vim/emacs as the text editor?
Now, you can find endless sea of garbage software on github that is written using riced vim/emacs setups - would you therefore conclude that using vim/emacs leads to garbage software?
The only thing you can conclude here is that to write software (either good or bad) you generally speaking need a keyboard and a text editor.
Claiming vim/emacs leads to or directly contributes to "quality software" is the same and
about as meaningful as saying that keyboards and text editors lead to "quality software".
> would you therefore conclude that using vim/emacs leads to garbage software?
I cannot conclude that "it leads to garbage software", but I can definitely conclude that "it has ever led to garbage software" at least once, and in some "shape or form".
> Claiming vim/emacs leads to or directly contributes to "quality software" is the same
This (or the alluded opposite) was not the original claim. The original claim was the total impossibility of vim/emacs to have ever led to quality software, in any shape or form. That is the only claim being contested here.
You contorted it to mean that it's literally impossible to write "quality software" in vim/emacs.
I did NOT claim this. Nobody would claim this either.
I wouldn't make such claim even about nano or notepad or any text editor
(of which there and hundreds and thousands) for that matter.
What an insane thing to contest even.
Would I attribute quality of software to - in any shape or form - to the text editor it was written in - whether written in nano, notepad or vim or emacs or god knows what else? No, I would not. That WAS the original claim.
Your line of reasoning is something akin to - there are some skilled programmers that have shipped high quality software and wrote the code using lubed mechanical switches.
Therefore there MUST be something about lubing your switches and obsessing over clacks and thocks that contributes to quality of software somehow.
It's some weird bizzaro cargo cult reasoning.
Unix/webdevs often tend to use vim/emacs -> therefore this absolutely must contribute to the quality of software somehow (it has to!)
Except there are absolutely no basis for this claim, as there are high quality software that is written using neither vim nor emacs nor lubed mechanical switches.