> Rather, what you have pointed out hasn't been correct, or hasn't been relevant.
According to your biased conjectures.
>Fibbonacci's Liber Abaci introduced the Indo–Arabic numeral system to Europe
Please don't further propagate this fake story, this is just another European biased narratives and lies.
Arab and muslim were in Europe well before Fibonacci, and were using Arabic numbers 1 to 10, etc. Toledo and Spain were fluorishing as one of world knowledge centers alongside Baghdad under muslim empires. Then Toledo fall the to Reconquista in 1085 CE (11th century). Please note that this event happened well before Fibbonacci time [1].
Mediterranean sea was under the auspice of muslim including Sicily even before the latter conquered by Normans. I suppose Normans learnt many civilization stuff with their interaction with muslim in the Mediterranean area, and later the same Normans conquered Britain.
>China developed gunpowder. European researchers improved on it both for internal wars and their wars of subjugation
This another jumping of history narrative from China straight to European contribution missing on the significant contributions lineage of muslim reseachers.
Tipu Sultan of Mysore in India was inventing the rocket using existing knowledge of gunpowder and beating British Empire several time in the wars [2]. Then when he was defeated the British created Arsenal research centers at Woolwich to study further the rockets and the ammunitions. Now England has the Arsenal football club.
>I want to know new things, and this exchange has lead to some fruitful readings for me.
Please do your scholarship properly or better try to get publish in the reputable journals rather then lurking too much in HN if you are really interested in the idea. Time and tides wait for no man.
Also read the Bible and Quran, the Truth will set you free.
According to the very citations you link to. I note you haven't pointed to additional supporting evidence for your arguments.
Nor have you said what's missing from the article that would be relevant to the reader, other than providing a list of names.
"Arab and muslim were in Europe well before Fibonacci"
I am using "Europe" in the same meaning that you did with "became the standard reference for European scholars (like Roger Bacon and Albert the Great) when they tried to understand tidal physics." and "the European scholars later found ocean tides is something that need to be calculated, analyzed and predicted due to their colonization effort around the world during the Renaissance time".
Should I say "Christian Europe"? What then of the Jews in Europe? I really don't like saying "the West" or "Western Civilization" as those are terms white supremacists prefer to use.
You can also include Sicily and Malta as part of Muslim Europe.
"This another jumping of history narrative from China"
That was me telling you that you have been ignoring Chinese history in your focus on Muslim history. If you want the author to include all the contributions you mentioned, then surely you want the author to also include the examples from China, right? I believe you said that doing otherwise would be
"immoral" and "plagiarism".
"Please do your scholarship properly"
I pointed you to Pliny to show that Romans know the Moon and Sun affected tides, and how to make tide predictions.
I pointed you to Needham so you could read about Chinese knowledge of tides and tide prediction, and to highlight how weak your "necessity" argument was.
You haven't pointed to any primary or secondary sources, only encyclopedia entries, and you think there must be mistakes in Wikipedia when it disagrees with your understanding.
I have read the Bible twice and taken a college course in the Bible. I also know the world was not covered by a great flood, that the story of the Exodus is not historical, and that Christian apologetics can justify anything as "the Truth" while they claim the Bible is 100% accurate.
Nor are they alone in promising "the Truth".
"Hinduism, the world’s oldest religion, has no beginning–it precedes recorded history. It has no human founder. It is a mystical religion, leading the devotee to personally experience the Truth within, finally reaching the pinnacle of consciousness where man and God are one." - https://www.hinduismtoday.com/hindu-basics/nine-beliefs-of-h...
I encourage that you write a better refereed article on tide prediction not like the biased OP article with proper citations/references and knowledge lineage including Greek, Indian, China, Arab/muslim, European, etc that will has wider audiences compared to HN for setting the record straight.
I'd highly recommend you to read the Quran for completeness and fairness sake in addition to the Bible and other scriptures since muslim believe Quran is the only holy book that's well and completely preserved [1].
>Hinduism, the world’s oldest religion
Muhammad is considered by muslim as the last messenger and prophet (for all races not only Semite) of the true God starting from Adam including Jesus (since Jesus is just another prophet sent to Jews not God incarnated).
Muhammad is also described and prophesized at length in core canonical Hindu scriptures namely the Sruti not the lesser Smrti as Kalki Avatar (the last Avatar). However he's only a prophet not God incarnate as Hindu claim [2].
Time and tide wait for no man, and we are on the earth only for short term and temporary [3].
Quran Surah Al-Mu'minun (23: 112 - 115):
He will ask ˹them˺, “How many years did you remain on earth?”
They will reply, “We remained ˹only˺ a day or part of a day. But ask those who kept count.”
He will say, “You only remained for a little while, if only you knew.
Did you then think that We had created you without purpose, and that you would never be returned to Us?”
> I encourage that you write a better refereed article on tide prediction
Why don't you do that? I'm apparently very ill-informed of Muslim scientific history, so you already have a step ahead. I've pointed you to the entirety of my knowledge of the relevant Chinese history, so I've no advantage there.
A Google Scholar search finds Cartright's article "On the origins of knowledge of the sea tides from antiquity to the Thirteenth Century", which appears to cover at least some of the topic. All you need to do is fill in the details.
There are other papers on the topic too. Are you sure that what you want hasn't already been written?
> Muhammad is considered by muslim as the last messenger and prophet
Yes, we learned that in 9th grade.
He's also considered a false prophet by quite a few Christians. The Bible warns about false prophets.
For that matter, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider Moroni to be the last prophet, and in the the Baháʼí Faith, Baháʼu'lláh was a prophet - we even have photographs of him, unlike the earlier Abrahamic prophets.
You are doing exactly what just about every Christian apologetic does - you give a bunch of details as if they are supporting evidence, then when someone looks into it and finds the evidence seemingly lacking or stating the opposite of what's claimed, instead of addressing the issue directly you instead jump to something else, or start tone policing, or when all else fails, proselytize.
I asked you about what additional information should be in the essay which would be relevant to the goal and readership of the essay. You haven't. That tells me you are not serious about the actual history or scholarship, which makes me want to pigeonhole you into the third part of the forest I mentioned earlier.
>He's also considered a false prophet by quite a few Christians. The Bible warns about false prophets.
The Bible also warned against worshipping others false God beside God including worshipping fellow human or worshipping other prophets, but most Christians are doing exactly that by worshipping Jesus via the misleading concept of Trinity formalized by the Council of Nicea [1].
>I asked you about what additional information should be in the essay which would be relevant to the goal and readership of the essay. You haven't.
I've given the many relevant additional information but you did not accept the facts that were presented to you.
The only way to settle the contention is by me or you writing the refereed article on tide prediction with proper historical knowledge lineage to setting the record straigth. Since none of us not is willing to do that then it's pointless of you replying to this thread anymore unless you want to waste your time.
The bottom line is that according to me the OP article lack proper references and citations of the prior arts from Arab and muslim scholars contributions between the Greek and Renaissance era. If you think otherwise you are entitled to your opinions.
According to your biased conjectures.
>Fibbonacci's Liber Abaci introduced the Indo–Arabic numeral system to Europe
Please don't further propagate this fake story, this is just another European biased narratives and lies.
Arab and muslim were in Europe well before Fibonacci, and were using Arabic numbers 1 to 10, etc. Toledo and Spain were fluorishing as one of world knowledge centers alongside Baghdad under muslim empires. Then Toledo fall the to Reconquista in 1085 CE (11th century). Please note that this event happened well before Fibbonacci time [1].
Mediterranean sea was under the auspice of muslim including Sicily even before the latter conquered by Normans. I suppose Normans learnt many civilization stuff with their interaction with muslim in the Mediterranean area, and later the same Normans conquered Britain.
>China developed gunpowder. European researchers improved on it both for internal wars and their wars of subjugation
This another jumping of history narrative from China straight to European contribution missing on the significant contributions lineage of muslim reseachers.
Tipu Sultan of Mysore in India was inventing the rocket using existing knowledge of gunpowder and beating British Empire several time in the wars [2]. Then when he was defeated the British created Arsenal research centers at Woolwich to study further the rockets and the ammunitions. Now England has the Arsenal football club.
>I want to know new things, and this exchange has lead to some fruitful readings for me.
Please do your scholarship properly or better try to get publish in the reputable journals rather then lurking too much in HN if you are really interested in the idea. Time and tides wait for no man.
Also read the Bible and Quran, the Truth will set you free.
[1] Siege of Toledo:
https://www.britannica.com/event/Siege-of-Toledo
[2] Tipu Sultan:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan