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> Even recently, Musk fought back against the notion that Tesla relies on teleoperation for its Optimus demonstration. He specified that a new demo of Optimus doing kung-fu was “AI, not tele-operated”

The world's biggest liar, possibly. It's insane to me that laws and regulations haven't stopped him from lying to investors and the public, but that's the world in which we live.





The FCC would have a whole lot to say if he was lying about something like that at a publicly traded company.

What would the FCC do?

The SEC didn't even enforce the whole he can't run his twitter account punishment for tweeting that he took TSLA private at 420.


Sorry, I meant SEC. Just search for "Musk SEC". He's been fined and sued already for similar statements. It's pretty illegal to lie about the capabilities of the products of a publicly held company.

Just look at Nikola.


That’s what lesuorac is saying. The SEC found he violated the rules for a publicly traded company... And then could do absolutely nothing about it to enforce the rules.

He lies again and again. Occasionally gets a slap or a small fine. And then keeps doing it.

What has he lied about? With the caveat that a prediction of the future being incorrect and an estimation of a timeline being wrong is not a lie.

An example of a lie would be the topic at hand, misrepresenting current capabilities of an existing product.

Mars or self driving cars by Year X isn't a lie.


A lot, the easiest example was the autopilot video that started off with "The car is driving itself, the driver is there for regulatory reasons". The video was created by stitched together different sessions as in some of the sessions the car drove itself off the road into solid objects.

Or about the thai diver being a pedophile.

People just give Elon too many benefits of the doubt. Saying Mars/Self driving cars is going to be next year for over a decade is just a lie after the first couple of times.


One instance https://www.forbes.com/sites/willskipworth/2023/12/07/elon-m...

Though some of his future predictions are obviously things he knows will not possibly happen and are as close to a lie as you can get while still being plausibly deniable.


That’s what DOGE was/is for. The world’s richest man’s personal effort to gut the regulatory agencies perusing him.

Anyone who can’t see that hasn’t been paying attention or is in denial, taking the lies at face value.


Nothing Electrek says can really be taken seriously. They’ve openly said they have an axe to grind



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