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Maybe not scams, but I agree they are bad.

I always tell people to donate as local as possible. Ideally local Shelters, Churches (that take in everyone) etc...


I would take my insurance over public German healthcare in an instant. I would not trade.

Now maybe when I stop working that may be a different comparison. And its not like there is a choice, voting for a D doesn't magically get German healthcare.


It's almost like healthcare and the well-being of people should be gasp a non partisan issue.

What are you suggesting is the alternative? Please don't reference small homogenous countries the size of Minnesota as something that will work for the US.

It's really not that hard to find someone to go to check a address, redditors do this all the time. It should be expected as basic journalism, especially with high claims.

Check an address and interview anyone resident there in a way that gets useful answers to the questions at hand.

In this instance it was a bust because no one useful was there. But if the mastermind behind the whole operation was there you’d want a professional to ask them questions. Because once they know they’ve been rumbled they’re probably going to disappear.


I am pretty sure the BBC, like most bug enough news outlets, has antennas all over the world.

Why does every discussion have to wind up with a digression thread about how "real" or, even worse, "basic" journalism is something from a sepia-tinged golden age of muckrakers getting blitzed with Dorothy Parker? People are trying. There's lots of shıt masquerading as journalism, but this ain't it.

> Why does every discussion have to wind up with a digression thread about how "real" or, even worse, "basic" journalism

Hardly surprising given the contrast to the level of journalistic integrity on display at the Beeb recently.


If only this was the actual standard for journalism and not copy pasting half understood content with additional spin.

If what you are typically reading is

>[copypasta] half understood content with additional spin

then what you are reading is not journalism.


> then what you are reading is not journalism

In most cases, if you aren't paying for it, it is not journalism.


What makes you think this argument is popping? Or that it's only being discussed now, because of 1 article on a domain I've never heard of?

ElPais is the most important (by number of readers) Spanish newspaper.

Transition periods are always difficult, but they've always reached some equilibrium. Right now the spread between the two seem higher (not sure they are) but the system will bring them closer together.

World wars, revolutions, and violence are how we've reached equilibrium in the past.

We could, conceivably, learn from our mistakes and do something different now. But we're not.


There is no "system" to bring them together. Historically only revolutions and mainly violent protests have helped.

These are competitive on quality, but are they on price and scale?

How many US homes have a Bosch/Miele washer/dryer vs LG/Samsung? (Outside of NYC).


Don't know about the US. From what I can tell Samsung and LG appliances are certainly less common in Europe than the European brands (there's also cheaper brands like Beko or Gorenje).

The newest ones have arms to pick up objects on the floor. Your comment is still valid, but it may pick up that crack vile ;)

"vial".

Certainly "vile", but that's not a noun.


The metaphor still works, it's just the timeline changes.

That makes sense, are there any expamples of the Chinese leading in a market + R&D yet?

DJI as consumer and professional drones seems like they‘re most certainly they are also an R&D leader given the fact that there are essentially 0 western competitors.

When it comes to more commodity tech, batteries immediately come to mind. Chins has spent years funding battery research and they are now the biggest supplier for LiIon batteries of basically all kinds. Solar panels seem like another example.


Every category I can think of where China is near-first there is some international manufacturer that has a better product.

Several areas where there are much higher volumes or outstandingly better value though. Things like automotive lidar, construction assemblys (like double glazed window units), consumer electronics like quadcopters.


I recently bought a handheld spectrophotometer for work (color assessment). The product from the leading US company (X-Rite) is ~US$15k in my market. I bought the Chinese equivalent for US$3k. Maybe if I needed guaranteed nine 9s of colour accuracy the US product would be worth it, but for 95% of users in the market, the Chinese product is more than fine.

I have a vague theory that China's massive home market of poorer people keeps the innovation going. There's always an upside for making something 1% cheaper and simpler as more people can buy it.

That gets mocked by rich people in rich countries in the short term but then leads to disruptive innovation from below, cheaper, simpler items growing and eating the market.


I think you are on to something. In the US I feel the focus is more and more on catering to the maybe top 20% who can afford to pay a lot more for things. There are less and less low end cars. Concerts and sports events are super expensive. New apartments are usually in the higher price range. No starter homes anymore. Instead of innovating, we just increase the price of assets.

How about the thread topic, robot vacuums? I don't think any other country can even compete anymore, I can't think of any top non-Chinese model.

I saw a Matic, seemed impressive, but I have very few points to compare with personally.

Bambu wasn't good enough? Perhaps BEVs are?

BEVs most certainly aren‘t. Chinese EVs are strongly competing on price. Based on my own experience with them (n=4). They are very good as a EV, solid as a rolling smartphone, but not leading as being a car. Given the choice, I still would prefer a BMW EV any day.

However, batteries as a commodity are a good example where china is leading as volume and R&D leader


Try a larger n.

They are more than capable. I have just looked at what BMW, Mercedes and Audi have on offer. Then compare what Zeekr and Xpeng has on offer (7X, G9). Quality wise they feel the same or even better.

While I agree as a "complete car" the full package might not quite be there yet. But that is from a European perspective as they mostly are focused on their home markets. But this is changing. This is then simply iterating for product/market fit.

Personally I find the major problems in chinese cars are the software. That is the easy fix and they are getting closer with each iteration.

So much that today I would choose a Zeekr 7X but choose to postpone as the software was too annoying (adaptive cruise control, lane assist, sign recognition, auto brake, audio cues).

The big loss we have with EVs are servicability. But that is a universal problem with all automakers.


I don‘t care all that much about cars, my n is soley based on the cars i got provided for business trips. One Xpeng (no clue which) was among thise vehicles.

The main problem I see (beyond my i4 just being significantly nicer to drive) is replacement parts. The chinese EV companies are replacement parts and a qualified repair network. Replacement part availability is rather bad across the board, which has a number of cascade effects, but primarily higher insurance premiums. To add, there is also the fact that it looks like the EV market in china will consolidate not too far in the future, most likely compromising long term maintainability.


or Yangwang, BYD luxury brand.

DJI for consumer drones could be one? They make really good products, including vlogging and action cameras too.

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